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Loviatar · Mar 23, 2007, 06:52 PM // 18:52

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Originally Posted by Master Ypoc

if i'm not mistaken the monthly fee of WOW is 10/15 € and a GW chapter every six month is about 50/55€ ,so WOW players spend more 15/20€ every six month than GW players, if you ask me that's not a big thing if you look at the differences between the amount of content that both games have.
like i said before the chapter paying system of GW is an illusion created for marketing and sale purposes in order to rival with monthly fee games, and give customers/gamers the impression they play a much less expensive game.

you have never been a sailor.

no matter how strong a chain is forged if the first link is faulty that chain WILL FAIL.

you premise is built on buying all chapters is an assumption. a faulty one.

there are chapter 1 and only chapter 1 players still having fun so cut your GW cost to 1/3 for them and no further expected expences until the Christmas (hoilday) season so prorate that time in as well.

there are chapter 1/2 and only chapter 1/2 without chapter 3 players still having fun so cut your GW cost to 2/3 for them. and no further expected expences until the Christmas (hoilday) season so prorate that time in as well.

there are chapter 1/3 and only chapter 1/3 without chapter 2 players still having fun so cut your GW cost to 2/3 for them and no further expected expences until the Christmas (hoilday) season so prorate that time in as well.
WOW doesnt look as good pricewise as you make it seem.

i could leave for a month or so and not have to pay for time not used.

with WOW the KA-CHING goes on...and on.....and on....

it is no illusion as there is no comparison to monthly fees in GW.

clawofcrimson · Mar 23, 2007, 06:52 PM // 18:52

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Originally Posted by G E A R S

i think that as long as they allow GW1 char over to GW2 it'll work out fine

ya I really hope they let my paragon over...oh wait... there might not BE paragons in the new game!!

:O

likewise I think even the core professions are subject to an overhaul. especially with the addition of new races, I dont think we should expect to see anything but our names and titles in the new game.

Omega X · Mar 23, 2007, 06:58 PM // 18:58

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Originally Posted by clawofcrimson

ya I really hope they let my paragon over...oh wait... there might not BE paragons in the new game!!

:O

likewise I think even the core professions are subject to an overhaul. especially with the addition of new races, I dont think we should expect to see anything but our names and titles in the new game.

So far, that is not happening.

They are not allowing character transfers from GW1 to GW2. The engine will be too different for them to do that.

MirageMaster · Mar 23, 2007, 07:04 PM // 19:04

Still that might happen after some character conversion cause Anet might allow it in the end if there will be more requests about it.Like lvl caps for example.... now those ppl got their wish.

chaotic_chiron · Mar 23, 2007, 07:20 PM // 19:20

It would take a lot of time, programming, and so-on (I'd believe), for character transfer to work... But I would think if they really, truly wanted to they could.

Not to mention it could work in to the storyline as well. I mean, think about it. Were't the characters killed in Factions after one of the missions and brought back to life by an Envoy? (I haven't played in a couple of months, broken computer...) For all we know our characters could become Eternals for being such heroes and such. Anyway...

I suppose all we can do is sit and wait. Although I would like to bump my question:

Is there going to be a CE of GW:EN?

:x: Chiron :x:

wacked_1 · Mar 23, 2007, 07:45 PM // 19:45

i just cant explain how much a good idea i think this gw2 thing is going to be. theres loads of ppl saying "i want my char in gw1 to be able to go over to gw2" but to be honest i think everything anet are doing is great. yeah taking gw1 characters to gw2 could be good. but on the other hand i would love a fresh start. tbh i dont mind either way keep our old characters or dont keep em, im fine with it all. i just think everything anet is doing is a great idea. there would be alot infact more than alot that would probably disagree with me but in my opinion everything ive heard so far sounds great and i really think that anet is going all the right ways about gw2. and hope they continue to!

ChyldeOfTheLotus · Mar 23, 2007, 07:46 PM // 19:46

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Originally Posted by Omega X

So far, that is not happening.

They are not allowing character transfers from GW1 to GW2. The engine will be too different for them to do that.

Would it be possible to bring the character model over, but strip them of their skills or anything else that might make it difficult to transfer them to GW2?

MSecorsky · Mar 23, 2007, 07:57 PM // 19:57

It doesn't matter what they wind up doing. I'll get over it, buy it, play it and enjoy it.

The Hall of Monuments will be a nice touch though... bringing tidbits of characters past into the present.

Retribution X · Mar 23, 2007, 08:02 PM // 20:02

Maybe the Kill camping will be hindered by making each monster individual for each party.

And perhaps all drops magicly appear in the inventory. Or are perminantly assigned to the character unless they release the item.

And since GW 2 is "Hundreds of years later" Then we'll probably have guns. ANet is finally giving me my AK-47!

*dances*

Silvergun Superman · Mar 23, 2007, 08:09 PM // 20:09

Guild Wars 2 is going to use and support Directx 10. I love the sound of this

creelie · Mar 23, 2007, 08:09 PM // 20:09

I don't really understand why some people want to bring over the pixels of their old toons. Don't they realize GW2 graphics are almost guaranteed to make GW1 look like PacMan? And don't they realize that no one will care that they somehow amassed 1.5 million gold in a completely different game?

Master Ypoc · Mar 23, 2007, 08:13 PM // 20:13

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

you have never been a sailor.

no matter how strong a chain is forged if the first link is faulty that chain WILL FAIL.

you premise is built on buying all chapters is an assumption. a faulty one.

there are chapter 1 and only chapter 1 players still having fun so cut your GW cost to 1/3 for them and no further expected expences until the Christmas (hoilday) season so prorate that time in as well.

there are chapter 1/2 and only chapter 1/2 without chapter 3 players still having fun so cut your GW cost to 2/3 for them. and no further expected expences until the Christmas (hoilday) season so prorate that time in as well.

there are chapter 1/3 and only chapter 1/3 without chapter 2 players still having fun so cut your GW cost to 2/3 for them and no further expected expences until the Christmas (hoilday) season so prorate that time in as well.
WOW doesnt look as good pricewise as you make it seem.

well at least keep things within the context..

my premise is built on the most normal thing in gaming: the love for the game!
if you love the game the must normal thing is that you buy the 3 chapters, like i did. (don't know if you red that part)
hey i know that there are many possibilities, and anyone who is crossing a road can be hit by a truck...

you 're trying to say that gamers that started playing GW since prophecies, and really enjoy the game, like i do and maybe you too, won't buy the other chapters?

you're saying that a gamer, that for example have a copy of factions, and really enjoys the game, like i do and maybe you too, won't buy nightfall and maybe even prophecies?

you really think that the great majority of GW gamers that really enjoy the game only have 1 of the 3 chapters released so far??

who do you think that will be the first gamers to buy GW2 when it comes out?? according to your theory it will be the gamers who never even saw GW before. i don't think so...

your faulty assumption is correct in one situation, when GW2 comes out and the gamers that never played GW before buy it, i bet they will never buy the chapters of GW that we play today. based upon the news we have until now, you know why? theres is no connection/advantage in only having the new game and thinking in buying the old one...

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

i could leave for a month or so and not have to pay for time not used.

with WOW the KA-CHING goes on...and on.....and on....

it is no illusion as there is no comparison to monthly fees in GW.

so your trying to say that if a WOW player decides to take a break for a month from the game and chooses to put "on hold" is payment and his account, the blizzard staff will breakdown that player house door screaming:
"WHERES THE MONEY!! WHERES MY MONTHLY FEE!! YOU WILL NEVER PLAY THE GAME AGAIN MISTER!!! NEVER!!!"

come on, give me a break...

creelie · Mar 23, 2007, 08:15 PM // 20:15

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Originally Posted by Retribution X

nd since GW 2 is "Hundreds of years later" Then we'll probably have guns. ANet is finally giving me my AK-47!

My guess? As gnomes, the Asura will have the only guns and the best cannons. Everyone else will still be stuck at catapults.

I fully support this idea BTW. I definitely want to see knee-high bunnies carrying bazookas.

Alias_X · Mar 23, 2007, 08:18 PM // 20:18

Excuse me while I go enjoy an FPS of some sort. I will check back once a month probably, get the magazine from a friend when he is done, and return to Guild Wars with the release of GW2.

Speculation
Guild Wars economy dies
Guild Wars 1 dies

Maybe in the meantime I get hooked on WoW and forget about Guild Wars 2?

The Ernada · Mar 23, 2007, 08:33 PM // 20:33

Heh. By the time GW2 comes out, the people who were looking forward to it will be having fun. And new people will be having fun. And most of the people who are threatening to quit will slink back with tail between legs and have fun. And the few who truly quit...won't be noticed because we'll be too busy having a blast to care.

So go ahead and threaten to quit. Go ahead and declare how it's all doomed to hell. It won't matter. Making constructive criticism is one thing, ranting about the apocalypse is another.

mikkyld · Mar 23, 2007, 08:44 PM // 20:44

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Originally Posted by Shawn The Divine

However, it doesn't say anywhere that level grind is required. Maybe there aren't any tangible benefits to leveling past 20, for all we know. It could be that each level past that only gives the GW2 equivalent to something like a skill point, plus the bragging rights to say 'lol im level 500!.' And if that's the case, then people who don't want to grind can stop at 20, and those that do, can.

doesnt matter if it is required or not - it will feel that way to players IMO. I have 10 level 20's I can switch to as spirit moves me now. But in a 100 level world, I will be playing one or two until I reach the new cap and missing some of the fun of playing multiple classes. doesn't matter if I can logically see the "grind" in that or not; I will be doing that and I won't be anywhere near as happy as I am with the 20 cap.

and obviously there will be no stopping at 20 unless there is also a stopping playing GW entirely

creelie · Mar 23, 2007, 09:18 PM // 21:18

Considering they're planning to create a single world that expands over time, instead of releasing standalone campaigns, I can definitely see benefits to a higher level cap. Say, 40. That gives room for a truly epic storyline. 100 seems a bit much, though.

boko · Mar 23, 2007, 09:20 PM // 21:20

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Originally Posted by mikkyld

doesnt matter if it is required or not - it will feel that way to players IMO. I have 10 level 20's I can switch to as spirit moves me now. But in a 100 level world, I will be playing one or two until I reach the new cap and missing some of the fun of playing multiple classes. doesn't matter if I can logically see the "grind" in that or not; I will be doing that and I won't be anywhere near as happy as I am with the 20 cap.

and obviously there will be no stopping at 20 unless there is also a stopping playing GW entirely

In other words, you are actually complaining about the fact that there may be too much content for you to enjoy? you are complaining that you would be so busy with ur main char that you would not be able to play other char?

That ppl complain about lack of content i can understand, but to complain there is too much content is really weird... Do you realise that you would still not be paying a monthly fee and that you can play at your own pace, right?

CuriousCarrie · Mar 23, 2007, 09:44 PM // 21:44

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

Heh. By the time GW2 comes out, the people who were looking forward to it will be having fun. And new people will be having fun. And most of the people who are threatening to quit will slink back with tail between legs and have fun. And the few who truly quit...won't be noticed because we'll be too busy having a blast to care.

So go ahead and threaten to quit. Go ahead and declare how it's all doomed to hell. It won't matter. Making constructive criticism is one thing, ranting about the apocalypse is another.

We know YOU won't miss us... heck... we won't miss you either. Thing is, Anet are going to be missing customers, people to pay for the precious servers that will keep your game going... money that will have to keep the servers for GW2 going and the already laggy and inefficient servers for GW1 as well. And then you tell us to stay and play GW1, gladly... but er... do you really think it will be worth playing, I mean with the servers and all? Anet already doesn't seem to care to fix lag problems and such, it took them ages to implement the reconnect service. But have you ever noticed that as soon as a bigger update comes, a smaller one comes 10minutes later, fixing something else? GW2 is going to be far more demanding and sophisticated, I doubt anybody will deny that... but will the Anet staff be able to keep up with the demands and sophistication when GW1 already causes enough problems? Skills are still unbalanced, even though they "try their darndest" to keep up and try to balance everything. Then even though the weekend events are kind of fun, there are many smaller problems that could use fixing, but instead time and energy is being put into screwing up the GvG ladder, PvP ranks, etc by creating double fame weekends and making a joke of the GvG system. I haven't met a single person who is completely happy with EVERY aspect of GW1, what makes you think you will enjoy GW2. The PvE-ers complain that because Anet has to balance skills for PvP, the PvE games is ruined (nobody has touched Glad.'s Defense tho, so most PvE-ers should be safe). So PvP is ruining PvP with the "many" skill updates and nerfs. The PvP-ers are upset that there aren't enough skill updates/nerfs; that Glad. Points, Fame, and Champ. Points aren't worth anything anymore; and the ladder is a joke. And lets not forget that eventful rollback where the entire GW economy crashed for a few hours will Anet fixed everything. Fortunately they learnt from that and it has yet to happen again, but other, similar lags and mishaps have happened since.
Do you really believe Anet will be able to cope with the needs of GW2?

And so far, with all the people I've talked to IN Guild Wars, even random people in all-chat, nobody is going to buy GW2. So far, the only "positive" and "excited" people are the ones in this forum... so those of you who accuse "us negative minded folk" of being the minority, so far not the case for me. And if you think nobody is interested, I'm sure there are many people at Anet who are interested to hear what I and many of my "negative" friends and other "negative-minded" people have to say. Ultimately, they're trying to sell a product and trying to get as many people to buy it as possible. It may be a game and playtime for you, but for them, it's a job and it's how they earn a living, however fun it may seem to everyone else.

But lets go on to my gleeful sarcasm to make sure people do not think I'm "unhealthy" or too pessimistic, I'm VERY excited to see green dwarfs in big robots run around with dragon wings and laptop guns! Yay! I'll name mine Elvis!!! And dungeons! What an original idea! Let me quickly "/shriek for joy".

And one last thing for The Ernada, I'm not the same person as "Ninja Spectre". I do not kiss "his" feet, I have no need for that. You know, it just happens to be that I find Ninja's posts refreshing, and "he" shares my opinion in many things about the upcoming games. People do agree with each other sometimes. I just happened to pick Ninja to agree with, and you picked me to disagree with.

As for the rest of you, you complain and moan about our whining. Wow... just stop! We may also have an opinion. We repeat ourselves? Well... you bring the same arguments up over and over and we have the right to counter those arguments with the same reasons we have. You say it's nothing like WoW, we present you the asura. Etc etc etc. And if you are tired of our moaning, why are you moaning too? Everyone is allowed to express their opinions here, and we just happen to be unhappy with GW2. Heck... maybe I should start complaining and moaning that you're just too darn cheerful and that maybe you should be quiet with your "Yaay! Go World of Guildcraft" "rants".

boko · Mar 23, 2007, 09:59 PM // 21:59

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Originally Posted by CuriousCarrie

As for the rest of you, you complain and moan about our whining. Wow... just stop! We may also have an opinion. We repeat ourselves? Well... you bring the same arguments up over and over and we have the right to counter those arguments with the same reasons we have. You say it's nothing like WoW, we present you the asura. Etc etc etc. And if you are tired of our moaning, why are you moaning too? Everyone is allowed to express their opinions here, and we just happen to be unhappy with GW2. Heck... maybe I should start complaining and moaning that you're just too darn cheerful and that maybe you should be quiet with your "Yaay! Go World of Guildcraft" "rants".

The problem with the ppl crying "OMG! World of Guildcraft" is that they have not even read the magazine or even know what the details are... They are jumping to conclusions.

In their short-sighted mind, Race+ level 20+ = WoW

If you think that GW is only level 20 and where everyone is human, then you are dead wrong. There is a combination of things that made GW what it is. But the most important thing is the balanced gameplay where skills and teamwork are key. This is NOT about HUMAN character being level 20.

Most of the rant and fears that people are actually complaining about are actually answered in the magazine. So, they are complaining without real reasons.

As many ppl suggested before, grab a copy of the mag before actually ranting.